Sunday, November 22, 2009
Abortion: "Conservatives want LIVE babies so they can raise them to be DEAD soldiers."
The abortion argument is one that has troubled me for years.
No doubt that at some point, an abortion is a horrible thing. But also, at some point an abortion is simply ridding oneself of an unwanted zygote. The question is, at what point?
The definition of fetus: the young of an animal in the womb or egg, esp. in the later stages of development when the body structures are in the recognizable form of its kind, in humans after the end of the second month of gestation. Then, by definition, an abortion prior to the second month of gestation or so is not ridding oneself of a "recognizable form of its kind" but rather, ridding oneself of an unwanted pregnancy.
I will concede the moral argument of no abortions past a certain length of time, but other than that, I believe the decision of whether or not to have an abortion is no business of the government, certainly no business of any "religious authority," but entirely the decision of the woman involved.
I once confronted an outspoken pro-lifer with the statement; "I will respect your opinion when you 'personally' adopt an unwanted child. Otherwise, you are doing nothing more than bringing someone into this world who will suffer, and cause others to suffer, only to be executed or imprisoned as an adult." It shut them up, but only briefly.
No one has expressed pro-choice logic better than George Carlin. I know this video is a little lengthy, but I urge you to watch it because first; it's very entertaining and thought provoking, and second; to help you hone your arguments, because these right-to-life assholes continue to screw up any logical progress we try to make in our society and they need to be silenced.
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Thank you for both your take and Carlin's. I wish that even a fraction of the energy and resources expended on the abortion debate could be diverted to actually taking care of the children who are already here. What could be more compassionate and humane than that?
ReplyDeleteAbortion is a contentious issue and it shouldn't be, it's a personal decision for the vast majority of couples who choose it.
ReplyDeleteI have never seen, or met anyone like George Carlin, he must have ate shredded dictionaries for breakfast, he took a subject and stripped down the to bare bones in a matter of minutes. He disguised his wisdom under a cloak of humor, but there is no doubt he was a very wise and intelligent man.
Intelli... my take exactly. Take care of the children we've already got. It boils my blood for a child to go hungry in this country. Any child that asks for a meal at a school cafeteria should be given one without question or cost.
ReplyDeleteHolt... George Carlin was an icon for all us old hippies. Started as the stoner "hippy dippy weatherman" and grew into a brilliant statesman. Go to youtube and check out his take on the ten commandments. You'll love it.
ReplyDelete"George Carlin was an icon for all us old hippies. Started as the stoner "hippy dippy weatherman" and grew into a brilliant statesman"
ReplyDeleteHear hear! I remember those "hippy dippy weatherman" days very well.....'n surprisingly so at that, with me bein' an ol' stoner (and then some) myself! ;-)
Thanx for bringin' back those good ol' days, even if it was for only one brief shining moment.
I'll take whatever I can get these days.
You can't spell "infantry" without "infant."
ReplyDeleteThe word Infantry comes from the roman army and it meant the infants that were to be slaughtered.
ReplyDeleteYou're quite welcome DonnaJean. Glad you stopped by. Ginx... Well said. Punch... ditto.
ReplyDeleteAs for when the exact moment it becomes wrong for the mother to make that choice... I would say it's okay until the child is 15. You really can't tell what kind of person they are until about that point, so why rush the decision? What is that, the 54th trimester?
ReplyDeleteNo, 48th.
ReplyDeleteGinx... Lol. You nailed it.
ReplyDeleteWhile I concede there is a few people who on moral grounds abhor pregnancy termination I am placing my bet on the political ideology of them who wish to rule others as the major factor we are still having this debate over settled law.
ReplyDeleteGeorge Carlin always has just the right wisdom for any topic this one included.
ReplyDeleteCan't argue with that WM. I believe the great majority of those on the ground floor are there on moral grounds, but they are being manipulated by those with other agendas.
ReplyDeletePeach... ditto.
I'm with walking man, lemmings doing other's bidding, under the guise of medieval thinking. I truly understand the concept of life being sacred, after all, I do have children. However, I don't understand the rigid double standard of imposing one's own ideology on others...in this case women, and then being unwilling to take care of all those unwanted children. Complete bullshit.
ReplyDeleteFive Star post C.
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Awesome.
I've not heard this before, and I have to tell you, I take pause.
Im a pro-lifer MrCharleston and thus I guess we are going to disagree! On GlennBeck's Friday show 11/20 he interviewed an author with the last name of Flynn, a former C.I.A. agent who made a statement about the Democratic Progressives views on Torture: They'd rather stick a spike in an 8 month old fetus & suck the brains out [partial birth abortion which they favor] to outlawing waterboarding of terrorists which they consider as Torture!!!!!
ReplyDeleteJenJen... hopefully your pause is to reflect. C
ReplyDeleteChristina... That kind of absurd analogy is what makes any kind of logical approach and solution to the problem impossible. There is a point in pregnancy where that doesn't happen and I know you know that. I guess the next thing that troubles me are right-to-lifers who favor the death penalty, on in your example, torture. Can't you see the hypocrisy in that?
ReplyDeleteTotally agree, Mr. Charleston. I spent most of my college years protesting for women's rights here in the deep south.
ReplyDeleteThat makes sense, by the way, about the ghost advice writers. I wondered how one person knew so much and just figured she was researching all the time.
Only those that think its an absurd analogy are the 'left wing nut jobs'! And as to believing in the 'death penalty', yes I do providing the person committing the crime is GUILTY - an eye for an eye!
ReplyDeleteScarlett... the ghost writer thing started when advice columnists began being sued for bad advice, particularly health, legal and tax issues.
ReplyDeleteChristina... thank you for illustrating my point, one absurd analogy to justify another one.
ReplyDeleteI love and miss that George Carlin. I'm hoping for his last book this Christmas. That bit of his was amazing. I think my favorite part is always the line about how they are people you wouldn't want to have sex with anyway.
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